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Sneaker Waves
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On this episode of Killer Earth, Kat and Vanessa discuss the phenomenon of sneaker waves and the unsuspecting beachgoers who have succumbed to them.
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unknownKiller.
SPEAKER_01Hello. Hello. Oh man. Guess who's back? We're here. Back again. Guess who's back? Kate and B. We are here.
SPEAKER_00What song is that? Uh I I forget. You don't know the song. I just paired it. What is it? No, wait. I think it's an MM song. Oh yeah, duh. What was I thinking? I was about to say in sync. In sync. Jesus.
SPEAKER_01What do you take me for?
SPEAKER_00Oh Lord. Well, welcome everyone. Thanks for joining. Welcome back to Killer Earth. Vanessa's had me giggling since we started this. So hence the laughter when it first started recording. So hello.
SPEAKER_01So I guess we should just be transparent about this. Okay. What? So I have horrible anxiety, which I've had since I was a kid and I've managed it throughout the years with like medication. And then as an adult, you know, some alcohol here and there. So like this New Year's, I was like, you know what? I'm going to start taking edibles, like really low dose edibles, just to take the edge off. So that's what I've been doing. So I'm adjusting to it.
SPEAKER_00And you said it's been really helping.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it helps me sleep. So I took one like earlier this evening than I normally would. And I forgot that we were recording. So I'm fine. I'm just a little, you know. You're good. You're great. I think I'm good. I'm not like you're happy. No, yeah. No. Because that's irresponsible. Yeah. I'm feeling good. I mean, it's better than having a panic attack.
SPEAKER_00Right. No, I'm so glad. I mean, edibles help a lot of people. For me, if I eat one, I'm like high for three days. So I like can't.
SPEAKER_01Mine are super, super low dose. Yeah. I don't know. I think it depends on like what you what you ate that day. Mm-hmm. How you're feeling that day. They hit you a little harder sometimes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Good for you. I'm glad you're managing it and trying it out, you know.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's do you not do you eat edibles? You you don't, right? Because no, I like I not really know. Yeah. I I haven't in a really long time. Again, like that, I just it just like makes me like I'm like too high for like days, like stays in my system.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like that's so that was like way too high of a dose, probably.
SPEAKER_00Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Like I never I never did it for like managing like anxiety. It was just like, oh, let's take an edible, you know. But I haven't like tried it in a while.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00I don't even smoke that much anymore, honestly.
SPEAKER_01I don't either. Um once in a while.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't because it's you know, it's not great for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But well, it's great for some people. For me, I just like it, it actually gives me anxiety versus like takes it away. So I like stopped for like I don't I it's only like rare occasions that I will, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it's always fun, but it just like the inhaling of the smoke isn't great for you. Oh, that's my favorite part, right? But overall, that's not not good for you. That's why I think edibles are kind of like the preference.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's that's what I hear. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing these days. But well, good for you. Um, how's it? How's the weather up in Vermont? I know it's cold as hell here.
SPEAKER_01You say up, but we're down. Oh yeah. Wait, are you? Oh yeah, you are below you. Sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's that's right. I don't live in case. I always think of you as up. Why? I don't know. We're south of you.
SPEAKER_01Okay. There's this weird thing with um anyone who doesn't know about this. In Maine, Mainers have this weird thing where they will say like down east when they mean up north. Yeah. It's just this weird phrase that Mainers use. Yeah. I don't know why. I haven't done the I but you you're not from Maine yet. You you think I'm down of you.
SPEAKER_00I I don't know why. I think it's because like when I've driven to Vermont, it always just feels like I'm going to be aware of it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but you have seen maps of the United States. So how would you think that I was north of you?
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Really well, how's it going to the to the right? No, definitely below you. It's great. Well, okay, so I'm a weirdo and I have to have it like ice cold in my room. Uh-huh. And literally, I will leave the window open in my bedroom. You also roll winter fans. And I have fans going. Yeah, like all the time. It's really weird. Like in the summer, I can I cannot sleep in the heat. Like, yeah. Anyway, so I leave a crack on my window like open. And I've been doing it for the past, we just took our AC out uh when Sam left two weeks. No, a week ago. He helped me take the AC out. That's how long I've had it in the window, and I was running the AC in December.
SPEAKER_01I can't like in my bedroom.
SPEAKER_00That's insane.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you could have just taken it out and saved the electricity.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but like it was heat, like Sam was gone at the time, and I couldn't take it out. And so, but it was still wasn't cold enough. So I like ran it.
unknownThat's crazy.
SPEAKER_00So because it's so heavy, it's like so heavy to get out of the window.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I probably would have like dropped it. Anyway, so the other night when we recorded, um, it was like probably 17 degrees um Fahrenheit, Fahrenheit. And uh I when we got done recording, I was like, okay, I'm gonna go to bed, it's gonna be so nice in there. I literally lay on my bed and it's stiff as a rock. I actually got so freaked out that I like thought someone had like come into my bedroom and put like a board underneath my mattress um or underneath my sheets. And then so I freaked out and then I was just like, what's going on? And then Sam called me because he was like on a break on a shift, and I was like, Oh my god, the bed is stiff. And he was like, Oh, so the bed's frozen. And I was like, a bed can't freeze. He's like, Yeah, it can. And I was like, What? And the whole I I did you know that that a mattress could freeze?
SPEAKER_01I mean, I wouldn't think that a mattress would freeze when the window is open a couple of inches. That seems really weird.
SPEAKER_00But I've kept the window open for about a month and clo I closed the door to the bedroom so it stays ice cold.
SPEAKER_01Still, though, I I still can't picture that because there's no moisture. Like, you don't have a water bed.
SPEAKER_00No, you know what I mean? I don't understand how it could freeze. He said that the moisture in the air can get trapped in the in the mattress, and that's how like it was literally like the same temperatures outside. So it was like 17 in there. So that was weird. And then I like as I was laying there and I it got warmer, like my body heat, like the mattress started to get back to normal. But then I tried to turn on my fan, and the fan was frozen.
SPEAKER_01I didn't know these things could freeze. Did you? So when you say your fan was frozen, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_00Like, did it have ice on it? No, it just like the motor, like it would not turn on. That's weird. Yeah, it was really weird. Also, I still had a great sleep.
SPEAKER_01So if you were shutting the door to your bedroom, but were you heating the rest of your apartment?
SPEAKER_00Yes. I always shut the door to my bedroom, I keep it cracked, and then I and then I heat the rest of the room because then when you get up, you don't want to be freezing when you walk out the door. So you just like close the door to the bedroom and it stays cool. It's like a little ice box.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy that your bedroom stays that cold.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. If you're heating the rest of the apartment, but yeah, I just love it when it's ice cold, it's like the best feeling.
SPEAKER_01But you have blankets over you.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, like yeah, tons. I just have my little uh sometimes. I'm like, am I gonna get frostbite on my nose if I like or am I gonna flip it? I know, right? I've thought of that, but I don't think so. I've been I've been good so far.
SPEAKER_01But anyway, I thought that was I like it. I like it cool too in my bedroom at night. I just like don't turn the heat on. I would never open the window when it was that cold. Oh, that would be miserable. I don't understand that. Oh, you must have a really warm comforter. I do.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_00Well, don't don't freeze your bed again. I won't. Um, so anyway, yeah, I just wanted to share that with you. I thought that was weird. All right, well, uh, should we get into it? Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_01What do you got for us?
SPEAKER_00Today I am covering sneaker waves.
SPEAKER_01Sneaker. The first thing I thought was like sneakers in waves. That's probably because you ate an edible. All right, what is a sneaker wave?
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, first let me quote my sources before I forget. Um, my sources are ohsu.edu, oregonlive.com, Oregon. Or sorry, I already said that. Um, Oxford Languages, Grapevine.is, and Iceland and Monitor.mlb.is. And then um I also got a lot of info from my Facebook group that I belong to, um, Iceland travel info with locals. All of these sources sound very shady. Oh, they're actually very good. It's dot is.is is um it's like when you it's like a dot eu for like Europe, it's uh is is the Iceland.
SPEAKER_01So is it dot is?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So all of their like websites out there is always like dot is.
SPEAKER_01But do people say dot is?
SPEAKER_00Or are you just saying that? I mean, that's just what it is.
SPEAKER_01Or is it dot when if you're in a conversation, are people like okay, it's like dot is or did you just start saying dot is?
SPEAKER_00Uh I don't know because the language is so different. Like that's I'm just wondering.
SPEAKER_01Like, I mean, if someone came, like if someone here was like, so it's uh Wikipedia.com. Oh yeah, I see. And you'd be like, no, it's dot com. Nobody says C O M.
SPEAKER_00Well, in that case it could be dot is, but um, I think it actually for uh for some reason I think it's like uh a thing for island. You know how island is is.
SPEAKER_01I'm just wondering if people there are like dot is or if they're like dot is.
SPEAKER_00I don't know because they don't they speak a different language, so I wouldn't even know what it was if they all right, you know what I mean? Yeah, just curious. Yeah, but all the if you look at like the weather over there or like the driving conditions, it always is like dot is.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm not I know it's dot is no matter what. I'm saying, do people pronounce it when they're talking? I don't know. They say is or is I don't know. Do you see what I'm saying? If someone was it was like, oh, go to dot com. We would be like, no, that's nobody says it like that. It's dot com.
SPEAKER_00That's gonna go the Android. Someone write us in and tell us, please, solve the issue. Okay, so um, what is a sneaker wave? Um, so I never knew the term or even knew anything really about this until I went to Iceland. Um, but then I just like could not stop researching, and um, I'll tell you all about it. So uh most of you might know what it is, but uh sneaker wave, um, which is also known as known as a sleeper wave, or in Australia as a king wave, is a uh disproportionately large coastal wave that can sometimes appear in a wave train without warning. Um so it's basically like you could be, you know, there's like normal waves, and then all of a sudden there's this like giant wave, but you can't tell.
SPEAKER_01So not a tsunami. Right.
SPEAKER_00So there are two not a rogue wave. Exactly. So there are two types of extreme waves, which is tsunamis and rogue waves. So good job. Okay. Um, but they really don't have scientific evidence that has been gathered to identify, describe, or define sneaker waves with respect to height or predictability. So they're like super weird.
SPEAKER_01So I feel I feel like we've all encountered a sneaker wave at the beach once in our lifetime.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, maybe I yeah, I guess so. Yeah, because they're more common. They're more common in in some places, like we don't really have them here. I mean, you can usually tell when there's a big wave coming, like by height or you know, like um if it's like rough out, whatever. Um, but these are really hard to predict, and and they're actually uh most common in like certain places, which I'll get into. Um, so a rogue wave is an unusually tall or steep wave in the mid-ocean, but it's sometimes used as a synonym for a sneaker wave. However, rogue waves occur on the ocean and sneaker waves occur at shore.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yeah. And doesn't a rogue wave go in like the doesn't it come at you from a weird angle sometimes? I thought that was a good thing.
SPEAKER_00A rogue wave, yeah. A rogue wave, I've I've yeah, basically a lot of like the ship disasters that have happened, um, sometimes like especially in hurricanes, have been like caused by like a rogue wave. Like it's coming at you at a different direction, and bam, your ship's like that's what I've heard at least. Um but yeah, so I mean, like in the mid-ocean that can happen, you know, like and yeah, sneaker waves, it's more like it's still coming at you the same direction as the other waves. You just can't tell how strong it is until it's like there. Wow. Yeah. So um, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration loosely defines rogue waves as offshore waves that are at least twice the height or sorry, twice the height of surrounding waves and sneaker waves as waves near shore that are unexpectedly and significantly larger than other waves reaching shore at the time. Um, scientists do not understand what causes sneaker waves and their relationship to rogue waves, if any, has not been established. Um, so in a paper, in a 2018 paper, Oregon State University researchers wrote that sneaker waves from in offshore storms that transfer wind energy to ocean surface. So they're thinking like the storms out there, like are you know, the wind energy is creating these particular waves. Um, the resulting waves then arrive along a coastline during periods of calm weather, and the greater amount of energy they contain compared to the regular waves that preceded them causes them to travel far higher up the shore than other waves. So again, like like you could uh like the waves could be just going and going as they do, and then all of a sudden, without warning, this one wave that looks normal goes way high up the shore. Like it has so much power behind it, but you couldn't tell because it's not like a there was no height difference. It's really weird, right? Um so as of 2021, the National Weather Service in the United States viewed ocean conditions along the United States West Coast as favorable for sneaker waves when an offshore storm generates waves with a particularly long period. So the West Coast in the United States is probably one of the biggest spots in the world where sneaker waves happen. Um and um the waves suddenly appear on the coast. Oh gosh, I hate it when my computer does that. Sorry, I scrolled too fast. Sneaker waves appear suddenly on a coastline and without warning, and generally it is not obvious that they are larger than other waves until they break and suddenly surge up a beach. A sneaker wave can occur following a period of 10 to 20 minutes of gentle lapping waves. So it literally comes out of nowhere, nowhere, like hence the word sneaker. Um, upon arriving, a sneaker wave can surge more than 150 feet, which is 46 meters, um, beyond the foam line rush. So, like, you know how you can tell when how far the waves or like at least the biggest wave has come up given the yeah. So like sneaker waves usually go 150 feet more than that. So it's that's why it's so dangerous. Cause like you could just be like, oh, the obviously the the waves aren't coming up to here, so I'm just gonna walk along the beach and then all of a sudden this like crazy one comes in and just like scooch. Yeah, yeah. So creepy. Um, in addition to containing a large volume of rapidly surging water, a sneaker wave also tends to carry a large amount of sand and gravel with it. It is um, it also is so strong, it's like strong enough to break over rocks and float or roll a log. Um, sorry, a large waterlogged log lying on the beach. So, in the stories I'm gonna get into, like a lot of the times these people are like severely injured or die because the wave is so powerful compared to the other ones that it like is basically picking up logs that like you could bear, like you would have to move with machinery. Right. Like and just like knocking people over. Um and these uh logs could weigh like several hundred pounds, um, moving them up the beach during landward surge and then back down toward the ocean as the wave retreats. Um, sneaker waves often appear to be more common along steep coastlines than in areas with broader, more gentler sloped beaches. Um, so and that makes sense because if you think of like Oregon and California, like you know, those like crazy rock formations on the coast, like a lot of the sneaker waves are there. Um so the sneaker waves, we uh waves are mainly referred to in warnings and reports of incidences for the coasts of central northern California, including the San Francisco Bay Area's beaches, especially Ocean Beach, Baker Beach, and those that face the Pacific Ocean. Um, for instance, Big Sur, um, like all the way to the Oregon border. And then all of Oregon's coastline. Uh, Washington has them, uh, British Columbia in Western Canada, especially the province's southern coast, because they're commonly occurred, uh because they commonly occur on the west coast of Vancouver Island, including Tofino, uh Ucla Lit, I don't know if they said said that right, um, and Cape Scott Provincial Park. Um, and then the southern coast of Iceland at I'm really gonna try to say this right. Um, this is very hard to pronounce. Um, Renisfarhara, Renisfarhara Beach, um, and Kirkhufashara Beach. Um, they're the black sand beaches on the south coast of Iceland, which is where I visited. Right. Which like brought me to do this episode. Um, and then Australia, where they're known as king waves, as I mentioned, sneaker waves occur especially in Western Australia and Tasmania, where they can be hazard for rock fishermen. Um, so on the west coast of the United States, um, sneaker waves kill more people than any other weather hazard combined.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01On the west coast of the United States. No way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, in Oregon, 21 deaths were attributed to sneaker waves from 1990 to March 2021. Most of the deaths occurred between October and April, although sneaker waves occur also occur at other times of the year, which I thought was crazy, and we'll we'll get into that later. Um, but all like most of the people that passed away from sneaker waves, like it was all October through April. Like so creepy. It's like definitely that time of year. Excuse me. Ooh. Okay. A sneaker wave incident gained worldwide media attention when two large waves suddenly and unexpectedly struck a crowd watching the Mavericks surfing competition at Mavericks and Princeton by the sea, California on February 15th.
SPEAKER_01That's like the biggest surf wave.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So like this, you can like actually watch the video and I can share that with you guys on social media. But um when we like post about this episode, but it's so crazy to watch. Like they're watching the surfers, he's like on a big wave, but then those like huge, like no, two huge sneaker waves come in and like bash the crowd.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_00And they it came out of nowhere. Um, February 13th, 2010.
SPEAKER_01Oh wow.
SPEAKER_00It broke over the seawall onto a narrow beach and injured at least 13 people. The incident was caught on film, it was like worldwide media. Injured people, yeah, no one died. Wow. Which yeah, which was crazy. Um, the unpredictable have you ever like seen a maverick surf thing? I've never seen it, but I I didn't know about it until this episode.
SPEAKER_01I've heard of it for because I've so I have this weird obsession with um like skate and surf culture since I was like a little kid. Oh, really? Yeah, so I I have this weird um knowledge of like surf spots in the world and also that's cool, like surfers and skateboarders, and like I don't know, it's always just been like a a thing that I've got to do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's awesome. I would love to watch that. Like the the map, because like I just watching the video even before the sneaker waves came and got the crowd, it was like that was a huge wave.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, and the way like the waves there are insane.
SPEAKER_00The unpredictability of sneaker waves and their tendency to arrive suddenly after lengthy periods of gentle lapping waves makes it easy to surprise unwary and inexperienced beachgoers. Because they are much larger than preceding waves. Sneaker waves can catch inattentive swimmers, waiters, and other people on beaches and wash them into sea. Um, the force of sneaker waves surge and the large volume of water rushing far up a beach is enough to suddenly submerge people's thigh or waist high deep, um, knock them off their feet and drag them into the ocean or trap them against the rocks.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And think about it, if you're just like thinking you're just walking on the beach and then one just comes to the room.
SPEAKER_01Or if you're like if you're like sitting on a towel or something with like your family, yeah. Like if you had little kids, no. Oh my god, yeah. That that's scary, really scary. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, many coastlines more prone to sneaker waves lie in colder parts of the world where beachgoers tend to have heavier or wear heavier clothing. And the amount of sand and gravel in a sneaker wave can quickly fill clothing and footwear, such as boots, with sediment that weighs a person down as he or she gets swept up a beach and then back into sea, increasing the chances of drowning. So, all the places I did mention, um, I'm not sure how cold it is in Western Australia. Um, but the other places I mentioned are all like really cold water, which I found really interesting. Yeah. Floating and rolling logs and sneaker waves also uh pose a danger as they can badly injure people as well as pin them down when they come to rest. And it can be difficult or impossible to move such a log before a person pinned by it drowns after as later waves arrive and fill the person's lugs with water and sentiment, sediment. Sentiment, not sentiment. Sorry. Okay, so that's like a lot about what a sneaker wave is, and now I'm gonna get into some stories.
SPEAKER_01Do it okay.
SPEAKER_00So these um are all this, these all happened along the Oregon coast. It looked like from my research that more deaths happen like in Oregon than any like from sneaker waves than like any other country or place.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_00Um, but I could be wrong. Um, I did a lot of research and like it looked like Oregon was like the big spot. So, really quick, I couldn't find the article. Um, but my sister, her therapist, um her fiance died from a sneaker wave. And I don't know, she told me to look up twin, uh twin drowning at twin rock, and we both tried to find it. She hasn't talked to her therapist in a while. It's like her old therapist, but like they lived in Oregon and um her yeah, her fiance went out to like save somebody and died from a sneaker wave.
SPEAKER_01Twin rock, something like that. Yeah, it was called twin rock, and then the two people that drowned, they decided to call them twins in the in the article.
SPEAKER_00That's I don't know that that was what she said for me to look, and we both couldn't find it. Um, but yeah, it was like really sad. Like her it was her fiance, a little weird. Well, I don't know why they decided to name it that, but well no, it's because he had to he went to go save somebody and died.
SPEAKER_01I think it's as the journalist, it's a little in bad taste, yeah. No, it'd be like twin drowning at twin rock, yeah, clever, just be like two people drowned at twin rock, right? You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00That's like yeah, it's like better than trying to make it poetic, yeah. For sure. It's really insensitive, yeah. Loved ones. Well, I don't know if that's what it was called, though. That's what we thought it was, or that's what I think we she was told to look up.
SPEAKER_01Because I've never heard of an anyone describe it as a twin drowning, yeah. So I feel like that whoever wrote that was like, let's have a little fun with the title.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not cool, not cool, not a good topic to have fun with, yeah. Um, okay, so but that was really sad. Like he went to go save somebody who got caught up in one and like got swept out himself. So really sad.
SPEAKER_01They would probably call that a double drowning, yeah. Not a true drowning, right?
SPEAKER_00Um, okay, so since 2000, sneaker waves have killed at least um 17 people along the Oregon coast, um, all swept up into the ocean. There were two near-death incidences in this span where two local kids were caught by a sneaker wave, both of whom sustained serious injuries after the wave rolled large logs over the top of them. They both lived but were badly injured. All of these deaths occurred late fall to early spring. So I'm gonna read you like the different deaths that happened. Um okay, so this is kind of weird. Um, my timeline am kind of going backwards, and I was gonna reorganize it, but it's too late now. So I'm gonna start like I'm gonna start December 2014, and it kind of goes like back in time. Okay. So Andy Grass, he was 10 years old. Um, a sneaker wave hit 10-year-old Andy Grass and his brothers while visiting Rockaway Beach, Oregon. The boys jumped on a log to avoid the sneaker wave, but Andy fell and the log rolled on top of him, resulting in multiple serious injuries, including bone fractures, collapsed lung, and a lacerated liver. Um, this is a quote from his dad in the article that I read. Our world was forever changed on December 24th. This happened like on Christmas Eve. That's so sad. Um, and while our no, it's it's a happy ending. And while our story will be told with a happy ending, it began the most terrifying experience we could have ever imagined. It was, it had been 18 months since Andy's accident, but the memory of finding our son trapped under a log is hard to erase from our memories. After we were able to dig him out from under the log and secure him safely, he rested calmly in his mother's embrace until the ambulance arrived. With broken bones all over his body and injured internal organs, Andy was able to save his last breath until he arrived at the hospital, as his second lung was collapsing as soon as they got there. Um, and his last, his final words before he went into like a coma said, What did I get for Christmas? And then his like lung collapsed.
SPEAKER_01Imagine, no, yeah, it was being trapped under a log in the no.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's so scary. Well, they got him and they got him to the hospital, and then he was there for three weeks and he recovered. Um, he like it was like 18 months of um doctors' visits, and his progress like was really good, and now he's like back playing basketball with his friends, it said. So he's okay, but that was just like one of the um accidents like that happened. So, like if you're in a sneaker wave and you see one coming up, just try to run as fast as you can. Like, don't try to get on top of anything.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but how how do you even know it's a sneaker wave?
SPEAKER_00Well, you don't until if you see it coming up fast, run.
SPEAKER_01But people like a lot of people don't know.
SPEAKER_00People don't think that they just think it's like a bigger wave. Yeah, I know that's that's the hard part. That's I think you have to be really vigilant when you visit places like this. That uh usually there's a lot of signs um that say warning, like danger. Um, and I feel like a lot of people don't take those seriously. Um so you know, because like you think of waves and you think of fun playing in the waves, like you know, but they're very, very powerful. They're almost like mini tsunamis, like they come in, they're not high, but they when they come in, they're going so fast and they have so much force and they're going way up, like further than you would ever imagine. And then when they they just drag you back out, like it's so powerful, so super scary.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it just seems like you don't have a lot of time to even run. Like, how would you even judge that if it's an if they're not tall? Right. So it's like, what do you do if you're just on the beach?
SPEAKER_00You really just should be vigilant and stay away, honestly. You shouldn't trust the phone line.
SPEAKER_01Um stay away though, like what stay away at what point?
SPEAKER_00Like far.
SPEAKER_01No, but I mean like when the when the wave is coming at you and you have three seconds and you don't like I just don't get how you like I think you have to react after it's hit you if you're that close to the water.
SPEAKER_00Right. I guess my thing is like don't get close.
SPEAKER_01Like if you know have enough time to run at the beach.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I'll kind of get into like what I what happened with me in Iceland. Um it's I think it's like easier to describe than it is like like firsthand versus like I don't know. It's very, it's confusing, it's very dangerous and it's like weird. Um, but I'll get more into that. Um, okay, so February 6, 2011, Jack Hornsome Graham, I think I said that right, who was 17 years old, and Connor Osland, who was 18 years old, were swept away by a sneaker wave near uh Ya Chats or Ya Cats, Oregon. It's uh Y-A-C-H-A-T-S. So it could be like ya.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. You're like, ya chats? Do you chats for fun?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Something like that. Okay, anyways, that place. Um, the pair were on a school retreat hanging out on a rocky outcropping when a sneaker wave dragged them into the ocean. The call for help came at 12:34 p.m. on a Saturday. Um, fire chief Frankie Petrick was the first one on scene. The caller said that some kids were on the rocks screaming help. Um, the fire chief said, uh, quotes, as I pulled in off the highway, there was a wet young man standing in the road, frantic. I asked him, what can you tell me? He said, two boys got swept away. He and another young man had been with Osland and Horks Horns Hornsong Cram. Horn song cram. Just spell it out. What is it?
SPEAKER_01Where's the M you're saying? It's at the end. You're like Horsomgram. There's no M in the middle. Spell it again. H-O.
SPEAKER_00Hor song cram.
SPEAKER_01Horse and Cram.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You're like Horsomgram.
SPEAKER_00Oh man, I don't know. I'm not good with pronunciation. Okay. Anyways. So the sorry. So the kid who was in the road, he was like wet. He actually was with them, but he managed to stay on the rocks and the other two got swept out. So he like saw the whole thing happen. Um uh Petrick, the chief, uh reached the site just a few steps up the Yachats 804 trail from the smelt sands parking lot moments later. The ocean was very rough. The tide was on its way in. An incoming tide on Sandy Beach gives you the opportunity to run, said Patrick. They probably didn't know how strong the waves were and could it can catch you off guard at any moment. Um, that's another theme I've been obviously like, not obviously, but that's another theme I've been noticing when I was doing my research, is a lot of the time the tide's coming in with these sneaker waves. Um, just uh something noted. So a group had gathered, um, one with a pole and one with a rope to try to like get them in, but um, or like have something to like pull them in, but no one saw them. And the only thing left was a shoe. So they like never saw them.
SPEAKER_01No, no one saw them.
SPEAKER_00No. What do you mean? Like they were gone. They were swept that far out. Like far. Yeah. By the time they got there to like rescue them, that like there was only a shoe. I know so scary. Um, okay, so on November 10th, 2010, Katie, 33, and Mike Myers, 34, of Portland, Oregon, were swept away while walking to the end of Yacoina Bay's South Jetty. Um, they were celebrating 15 years of marriage at Sylvia Beach Hotel in Newport and had ridden their bikes to the jetty. Um, I didn't, I didn't like really know what a jetty was, or like at least I didn't until I read the description. But what it is, it's a landing stage or small pier at which boats can dock or be moored or break water constructed to protect or defend a harbor stretch of coast or riverbank. Um, just so just FYI. I didn't really know what that was until then. I knew what it was.
SPEAKER_01Oh, good for you. I knew, I knew.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so at around 1 p.m., they rode bikes to the south jetty of Yakuna Bay and walked toward the ocean on the rocky jetty despite 18 to 20 foot waves. Um, witnesses told police that they thought the couple would stop because of the danger, but they kept going. One witness told police he saw the couple holding on to a light pole at the end of the jetty when a large wave swept them into the water.
unknownOh my god.
SPEAKER_00So they were gone. Damn. I mean, it's hard. Okay, here's the thing. I'm obsessed with waves, as we both know. I like tsunamis and all that stuff. And I you do too. So, like, it's very fascinating to go out and watch like 20-foot waves. Like, that's like my dream. Yeah, like I could do that all day long and be like so happy, but that's like, you know, that's just like the the risk you take, especially if you want to get close, which I feel like everybody always wants to get close when they're watching something like as gorgeous as that, you know?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think the line is walking out onto a jetty when the waves are crashing over it in front of you and you can see.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then you keep going anyway. Right. That just seems really not smart. Like a stupid idea.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So April 22nd, 2010, Darlene Bryson, who was 78, and Kathleen Meeker, who is 53, both of Port Orford, were walking along Agate Agate, probably, walking along Agate Beach near Port Orford when they drowned. The beach is known for its deep, soft sand, numerous riptides, and a severe drop-off where the water meets the beach. The beach is known locally as a good site to collect um agates and jasper. Is that am I saying that right? Oh, agate. Oh, I was like, agate. I think it's agate. Okay, agate and jasper.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So they were like collecting cool gems and like I'm pretty sure got swept up.
SPEAKER_01Agate.
SPEAKER_00That's also a really scary thing to me. I don't really like it, is when a beach drops off dramatically.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That freaks me out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00And like a lot of these things, like if you get swept out by a sneaker wave, it's really just the riptide that gets you. It just drowns you, you know? Yeah. Horrible. Um, March 8th, 2008, Ross uh Burfus, who is 16, a junior at a low Aloha High School, ran into the ocean at Glennenden Glenaden uh beach and died while trying to rescue River Jennison. Who's rescuing who? River Jennison? Yeah. Who's that? He was rescuing him.
SPEAKER_01You're like, you're like, what was this guy's name?
SPEAKER_00River Jennison.
SPEAKER_01No, no, the guy, the other guy.
SPEAKER_00Ross Barthas.
SPEAKER_01You're like Ross Barthas is at is that Beach Dennison rescuing River Jennison. No. It's not a thing. It is okay. Let me do this over. You your pronunciation of names is so bad. Like every have you. Every time I it's my topic, I like research how to pronounce the names. You never do that. So you're like Ross Dennison is at beach denison, rescuing river genison. No.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. You know what? I have a lot of important things to research. I'm trying my best. Okay, and I didn't say denison. Okay. Ross. Ross Barfus, 16.
SPEAKER_01Say it more clearly. Ross Barfuss. Okay, because you always kind of like bury the name. You're like bar Ross Barfus. Ross Barfus. Okay. Which doesn't sound like a real name.
SPEAKER_00It is. Um, he's 16. He's at Glenenden Beach. Glennenden. Yes. Okay. And he's uh trying to rescue River Jennison. I just don't think that's really name. It is. I will I will send you this, okay? He's 11. Let's get to the chase. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Let's get to the chase. You mean cut to the chase. You're not even getting phrases right at this point.
SPEAKER_02I'm crying. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Uh the 11-year-old was swept away by a big wave. His family said the 11-year-old you're cracking me up. The 11-year-old washed ashore, but died later at a hospital. Um, Barfus's body was found.
unknownSorry.
SPEAKER_01I want to read you this. You cannot laugh when people are dead.
SPEAKER_00I know, but I said Barfus, and I feel like you were gonna judge me.
SPEAKER_01Because I feel like it's not Barfus.
SPEAKER_00I feel like it's like B-A-R-F-U-S-S.
SPEAKER_01Bar Barfus. But you're like Barfus. Barfus.
SPEAKER_00Okay. All right. Jesus. Anyway, not funny. The 11-year-old washed ashore, but died later at the hospital. Um, his body was found, uh no, Barfus, the guy who was saving trying to save the 11-year-old, was found a month later near Nordic Oceanfront Inn in Lincoln City. So that's really sad.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, that's the thing. A lot of these like uh like mostly all like a lot of people like try to save people from a sneaker wave, but they usually almost always get swept out as well. That's really tragic.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, April 14th, 2007, Kaya Nelson, who was six from Freeland, Washington, survived after a sneaker wave rolled a large log over her as she walked north of Haystack Rock near Cannon Beach. Um, that's that like famous rock. Oh, yeah. I was there too, and I the waves were really. Really creepy, but I didn't go close.
SPEAKER_01That's good.
SPEAKER_00Um, well, I I did, but I didn't. I don't know. Anyway. Um, she was taken to the legacy emanal hospital and health center in Portland where she recovered. So that's a good story. But like, there's yeah, she like the large log rolled over her, um, but she like survived. So, but I would just want it's like a theme. Like the logs are like really creepy and scary. November 7th, 2006, Elma Benefil, 78 of Beaverton, Oregon, and her daughter-in-law, Jane Benefil, who is 61 of Idaho Falls, Idaho, were vacationing at Glenenden Beach and never returned from a walk. They were believed to have been caught up on rocks during stormy seas with swells up to 25 feet and a 10-foot tide. So they like were never seen again. Isn't that creepy? So they like assumed it was a sneaker wave.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they just got swept off the rocks.
SPEAKER_00November 11th, 2005, same beach as Darlene uh Bryson 78 and Kathleen Meeker, who died in 2010. Um, they were the ones collecting a gate.
SPEAKER_02Agate.
SPEAKER_00Agate and uh Jasper. Pamela Flynn, who is 72 of Sagal, Idaho, and her 44-year-old son Thomas Flynn, also of Sagal, Idaho, died when a sneaker wave washed them off. Oh no, you just told me. Agate. Agate? Agate. Agate B just told me, and I couldn't remember.
SPEAKER_01I think, I think it's pronounced that because that's what the like the noun is, Agate.
SPEAKER_00Agate, okay. They died when a sneaker wave washed them off Agate Beach near Port Orford as they were scattering her late husband's ashes. So they were like scattering his ashes and they both got swept away. That's horrible. That's creepy and scary. So November 21st, 2001, two Slayton, Oregon teens, Eugene Hyatt, 18, and Cammy Volendruff, 16, went missing after taking a walk during a winter storm at Depot Bay, about five miles south of Blenenden Beach. Um, they were believed to be swept out by a sneaker wave. Hyatt was Homecoming King and class president, and Volendroff was a talented singer. So they also were never seen again. March 25th, 2001, Jean Anderson, a 13-year-old girl from Portland, Oregon, died after a sneaker wave rolled a large log on top of her in the surf near Manzanita. She was surfing with her father and sister on the opening day of Oregon school spring break. Um sucks. Yeah. Uh December 8th, 2000, Oregon State Police suspected a sneaker wave was to blame in the death of 75-year-old Otis man found in the in sorry, found in the surf near Florence. Investigators said he was properly he was probably pulled into the ocean while walking along the beach and was unable to save himself. That's awful. I know. And then um April 28th, 2000, sneaker wave swept away the two rock climbers, rock or sorry, Ryan Bshoot, no uh Beauchamp, 18, and Kevin Parker, 19, both of Winston, at the mouth of Sunset Bay at Coos Canyon. And Coos Canyon is where I believe my sister's therapist um fiance passed away.
SPEAKER_01Oh um, I've heard of Coos Bay. Yeah. Which must must be right there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, so those were some crazy um stories from like the West Coast. Um, and then um if you look up sneaker waves um on the internet, you're more than likely going to have some of Iceland's waves pop up first. I mean, you'll see some Oregon ones and then you'll see like the Iceland sneaker waves. And so like that's what I got like so obsessed with this. Like I got so obsessed with sneaker waves like after going there. So like we went there and I saw signs on the beach, but I didn't really understand or take it in. And in fact, the day before, um, we stayed in a place called uh Vek, and um there was it and it's like basically a sit a little town that has the black sand beaches. Um and we took a walk down and it was like beautiful. And I remember without thinking about it, and I didn't see any signs because we just kind of took this pathway, and I remember just taking pictures and getting really close, but I was like obsessed with the waves because they were like truly some of the biggest I've ever seen in my life. And it was just like I couldn't stop staring at them, and I took some cool pictures and I was like trying to, I don't know, I was like, you know, Sam, take a selfie at me and like stuff like that. And then I didn't think much about it. And then the next day we went to um uh oh I got it. I'm horrible at pronouncing this, sorry. Um we went to the other, uh, it's like a national park, it's the uh Rena Safara Beach. Um and that is where they had the sneaker wave signs, and I kind of glanced at them and I didn't really think much of it. And I was just like taking pictures, and I was walking kind of close. Like I was just I couldn't stop. I was like, this is so beautiful. Like I was on the surf line for sure. Um, and you know, Sam kept walking kind of like further toward like where the grass of the beach started. And it was a big beach, so it was like pretty long. Um, but I was just like getting closer, and he was like, I really appreciate it if you didn't do that. And I was like, Yeah, we're fine, we're good, you know, like I'm good. And then at one point I was like, take a selfie or take a picture of me, and my back was against the ocean, and I and then uh we ended up walking down the beach and we sat down just to like look at it, and all of a sudden, this like wave comes up, and we're like, holy shit, we had to get up and run. Wow, and then that happened like several times, but like at that point, I was like, Oh, this is weird, and um then I saw like all of these children running after the waves, like, and I'm thinking, okay, like I'm getting a little close, not cool, probably, but like these kids are idiots, like, or these parents are idiots because I'm like, these kids are getting way too close. And um, then I see these tourists. There's this like there's a cave on the beach, but it's not really a cave, it's like an indent on the beach, and um, they call it the cave. And I see these tourists go around the cave to like the other side of the beach, and I'm thinking, those people are gonna die if a sneaker wave comes up. And sure enough, like these tourists are running around this part of the beach, like in a wave almost like gets them because it comes up really quickly. So it was just like a kind of weird. Um, and then I like we we had to leave, and I was really sad because I was just like so obsessed. And and then as I'm walking back, I really start to read the signs, and I was like, Oh, this is really dangerous. I didn't really look, you know, and I start seeing all of these real pictures that they post on the signs of people who get trapped and they're like they're getting swept away and they're like dead. They're like, you know, and I'm like, oh my god. And right I on my on our way from uh the beach to our next stop, I was just like getting online and I was like looking up, you know, uh things that had happened at this beach and I could not believe it. And then I watched these videos seeing people like get swept up and the force and the power, it was like it, I like almost started to cry because I was like, I just put myself into like danger, like pretty badly. Like I was not respecting the ocean. Like I had it said never turn your back to the ocean. Like, and in this water specifically, you're in Iceland, you're in the Arctic, and these waves are freaking huge. And if you get swept in, you are not coming out, right? And you're you're gonna freeze and like die, and it is insane. So, anyway, that's just some background. Um, and so like for me, like you don't know when a sneaker wave's gonna come, but if you want to play it safe, you would have played it like Sam because he was walking like far enough away. Yeah, far enough away. I was not like I was still wasn't like I wasn't like there there, but I you know, there I have a video actually that I took and I'm just filming it and I see a big one coming in, but they were all pretty big, and then it sure enough, it I had to run from it, and I'm like it's not all on video, yeah. Um, so just really weird anyway. Uh so just some background of why I am obsessed. Okay, so literally, and I I was messaging you when I got back, I we went on October, um, like mid-October. And um, when I got back, there were two incidences on this beach, like right after. And I was like messaging, I was like, oh my god, it happened again. And um anyway, so on November 10th, 2021, this just happened. Uh David Kelly was working as a tour guide for Hidden Iceland and he was on the beach with his group. He then witnessed a group of tourists with another company get hit by a sneaker wave at Renesafara beach. Um, one of them, a young Chinese woman, was swept out to sea. By David's account, he was taking photos at the beach when he noticed some three or four tourists near the cave at the eastern portion of the beach. The group uh were hit several times by so-called sneaker waves. Um, while most of these people were able to write themselves up and make uh and make them make their way back up the beach, one of them was swept away. David called 112, which is like the 911 here, emergency service, um, immediately. By his account, the response was swift as police, rescue teams, and helicopter and rescue boat were all deployed. The weather conditions in the area were reportedly poor. And the last he saw of the person who was taken from the waves estimated about 200 meters away, which is 656 feet from the shore. Wow. So that woman got pulled out there fast. Wow. Like, can you imagine like just getting swept up and now you're that far out to sea and you're not coming back?
SPEAKER_01It's terrifying. I don't know. I don't know if I would be more terrified of getting like pummeled and drowning in the waves at the shore or being out there with like sharks and stuff.
SPEAKER_00Right. I think yeah, I just think it's like once I think you know by the force, like once you get pulled in, you know you're gonna die. I think it's like that scary. Oh my god. And and and it's so cold there, it's November. The wind is crazy, and like, like you know, I talked about earlier, like the sand and the stuff that gets into your boots and sweaters, you're probably just like can't even really swim, right? You know, yeah. Um, as a guide himself, David is well aware that the beach features signs in multiple languages advising people to stay away from the water. And that guide and that guides advise this, sorry, and that guides advise their tour groups to do the same, but their power to control tour groups is limited. The guide in charge of this tour group was reportedly beside himself in grief over the incident. Um Renisafara, while uh while beautiful, is not a beach to be trifled with, falling rocks and sneaker waves capable of dragging people in the undertow is not uncommon. Um, there was a close call November 5th, which is the other incident right after I left on the same beach. Um, when a tourist, this is November 5th, 2021, when a tourist was trapped for five hours in the cave at uh Renasafara Beach. Um, he was traveling alone and a sneaker wave came up, and suddenly with the tide and the like the weather had worsened, and he was standing on one of those basalt stacks. Um, which I'll when I share pictures, um, basically it's like the way the lava formed these rocks, they're like vertical stacks.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, so it's really cool. But and a lot of people, like when you go to this beach, take pictures, like standing on top of one or whatever. Um, but they're it's like a really dangerous beach in the cave because some of those have fallen. And like anyway, um, but that's what he was standing on to like survive. Um they rescued him five hours later when the tide went down. Um, so that was good, but that was like another close call. And I think it was like 10 p.m. at night by the time they got him. Oh my god. So it was like dark. Wow. Um, and then on January 9th of 2017, a German woman traveling with her family was snatched by a sneaker wave at Kirku Fahara Beach by Dry O'Leary, which is um another national like park there. And you can see it from the Black Sand Beach. Um, but her husband and adolescent children had been knocked over by the waves as well, but were able to save themselves in the nick of time from the undertow, which sucked this poor woman out to sea. And then um in February 10th, 2016, the man who died at uh Renesafahara Beach in South Iceland yesterday, or it said yesterday in the article, but this is in 2016. Um, it was a Chinese citizen born in 1976. He was traveling in Iceland with his wife. Police investigate, um, police investigation has shown that the man was standing on this basalt pillar taking photographs when the wave swept him out to sea. The South Iceland police had published a photograph of the exact spot the man was standing on a freestanding basalt pillar around 50 centimeters high when a wave broke um and pulled him out with the result of drowning. And honestly, though, to be fair, like I saw this picture and I'll share it, but he's way, way too close. Like, yeah, you know, stupid, stupid close.
SPEAKER_01Well, it sounds like most of them were too close, right? Yeah, all of them, all of them were too close, essentially they were ignoring the warnings, like you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. But uh to be very fair, I wasn't as close as some of these people, but yeah, I was still close, not cool, like not, yeah, yeah. I was yeah, it could have been bad. I honestly, but the thing is, is like I said, like I until I left, I didn't realize like what I was truly messing with, even though I was far enough away, but I wasn't, you know, it could have been further to be very safe, but um, and then one elderly American lady got sucked into the sea by sneaker waves, aka killer waves, 10 years ago, back in 2007, and couldn't be saved from the same beach.
SPEAKER_01So this article called them killer waves.
SPEAKER_00Oh, so it's another name for them, another name, yeah. So um those are the stories of sneaker waves and how you should never turn your back to the ocean and just really respect it and keep your distance. And yeah.
SPEAKER_01So basically, a beach that has sneaker waves, you're not gonna go sunbathe at.
SPEAKER_00Unless you're very heart high up and the tide's not coming in, yeah. Okay, interesting. I mean, I uh yeah, like it, I don't remember what I think the tide was coming up when we were there, but I I do remember some of the waves. I couldn't believe how high up they went, and we did have to run from some.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so that's not really a beach that you would go like lay out at.
SPEAKER_00No, you wouldn't, it would it's more of like a dangerous beach that you can walk on, but yeah, they call it the most dangerous tourist place in Iceland for good reason, but I just yeah, it was so crazy because I didn't really know that, yeah, until after. Um, but even the same with Oregon, like it's I didn't realize how many times that happens. Like, I I don't know, it's it was really eye-opening, but oh, also, can I tell you a couple other stupid things that happened in Iceland? Yeah, stupid tourist alert, not me. Well, I was what well, no, I don't know. Okay. Um, we were at this um waterfall. You could literally walk up to it, and like if you were stupid, you could stand way too close and probably just like have the waterfall like go on top of you.
SPEAKER_01Is this the famous big waterfall? There's tons of famous in the south that everybody takes pictures with.
SPEAKER_00Um, there's like a lot of them, but I think you went to this one though.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because I was yeah. Um This is the big one. Well go to the famous one.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, I went to a ton of them. Um, I'm just trying to, I have it right here. I can tell you the name of it, but anyway, you could walk right up to it and um like it was really stupid how many people were getting way too close to that. So that was really interesting. Um, I have it right here. It's called, oh sorry. That scared me.
SPEAKER_01And why did you just scream like a Victorian lady?
SPEAKER_00You're like, ooh. Because I was scrolling through these videos. It's called Skagafoss, Skogafoss.
SPEAKER_01Um the one I'm the big famous one, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's one of the big ones. But anyway, you could walk right up to it. And I just saw people getting so close. So that was stupid. But the weird the worst one, going back to like our Yellowstone episode. Um, we were at um the secret lagoon, which is like basically a more natural like pool that you can go soak in or whatever. And um it's it is kind of weird because it's like or like there's this pool you can swim in, and it's really warm.
SPEAKER_01It's called the secret lagoon because it's not as well known.
SPEAKER_00I guess so. I don't know why it's called that, but it's I mean, there was a lot of people there, but it's really like natural. It's almost like you, it's like you can feel like you're in a pond. Like you can feel like the the the the mud and like the algae and stuff, and it's like really warm. And then around you are these like geyser, not geysers, sorry, um uh what do we call it? Springs, hot springs or uh yeah, the hot pool, the geothermic pools. So, and they're very, very hot. And there are signs that they're like, oh, this is a hundred degrees Celsius and whatever it is. And it's like you can walk around, there's like a pathway, so you can get out of the pool and like walk around and see them. So, like we're inside, like getting a glass of wine or whatever, and all of a sudden, I in I hear this like person indoors, like with her whistles, like blowing her whistle, like and opening the door to the outside. And you see this kid sprinting across this bridge and it's freezing out. So, like when you get out, like it's probably icy from people getting out of the pool and walking around. So she's like running across this bridge, and the mom's just like back there doing whatever. The girl starts whistling to be like, Don't run. And the little girl slips and her legs go through the freaking um guardrail, and she's almost about to flop into one of those boiling hot pools right in front of our eyes. Amazing parenting, amazing, amazing. Oh Sam and I were like, I I like almost started crying. I was like, I cannot watch this. Like, that was so bad. Um, so there was like a lot of stupid things, like a lot of stupid tourists, like really bad.
SPEAKER_01I wonder where they were from.
SPEAKER_00I don't know, but I just remember thinking she's gonna be cooked right now in front of us. Um, and the par and the mom just was like just kind of like walked over slowly, picked her up. I'm like, you're an idiot.
SPEAKER_01What a fucking whole piece of shit. Yeah, I hate that person.
SPEAKER_00But I will say, you guys, Vanessa was like very instrumental on my trip.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. Really, really was. I gave you, I've never been there.
SPEAKER_00Um, I gave you I gave you a travel guide though. She gave me the most amazing travel guide, like some of like most actually, all of her recommendations. I I think we did.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You went to the tomato restaurant. Yeah. You went to the hotel Ranga. Yes. You went to the big waterfall thing. Yeah. We just talked about. You did the Black Sand Beach. Yep. Yeah. There was probably some other ones too.
SPEAKER_00Thank you for being my travel guide. It was amazing.
SPEAKER_01I lived through you vicariously through you. Yeah. You guys did invite me. They invited me like three weeks before. And I was like, oh, I can't.
SPEAKER_00But we didn't book till like three weeks before. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think you invited me right when you were booking. And I'm like, I wish I could go, but I can't. I know.
SPEAKER_00But it's sounded. It's a it's a great place. It's very beautiful. And those are just some things. I mean, but yeah, the I will never forget those waves. Yeah. In fact, it makes me very like emotional to think about it. Like that would be my dream to go back there and you know watch them again.
SPEAKER_01But I want it, I want to go back. So we should go back together.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Did you ever get that thing in the mail?
SPEAKER_01Oh my yeah, I told you.
SPEAKER_00No postcards. You didn't tell me you got it. Yeah, I did. Oh, good. I'm so glad.
SPEAKER_01It's on my fridge right now.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yay.
SPEAKER_01It's a postcard from Hotel Ranga.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So basically, when you get there, they're like, Set, we'll send this postcard to any person at any place in the world. And I was like, Oh my god. So it like wrote her in the hotel while I was there. And I was like waiting for you to get it. It took a long time.
SPEAKER_01I don't think they knew it.
SPEAKER_00They're probably like, it was like a month later. Wow. I'm so glad you got it. That's so nice.
SPEAKER_01I'm looking at it right now. I'm literally looking at it. It's on my face.
SPEAKER_00It makes me want to cry. Yeah. That's so weird. And then we went to the restaurant you told us. You were like, you better go to that restaurant at Hotel Ranga.
SPEAKER_01And we did the restaurant inside the hotel, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I tried reindeer. It was really weird.
SPEAKER_01It probably tastes like venison, which you don't eat.
SPEAKER_00Which I don't eat, but I just did it for the fun of it. But you know what ruined my dinner?
SPEAKER_01What?
SPEAKER_00Is that I was like being a brat, not a brat, but I was just like really hungry. And I was like, oh, maybe they have like a vegan burger or like a veggie burger. Because they had a burger that they're like, oh, we can do we can make it vegan if you want. And I was like, Yeah, that'd be great. Because I don't really eat hamburgers and I eat like veggie burgers. And then they ended up giving me one of those like um those fake meat burgers. It's like a brand. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot what it's called. The impossible burger. Oh, yeah. Oh, you guys, there's to me, those are the nastiest. Like, I cannot even smell it. What does it taste like? Oh, oh my god, it makes me want to throw up. Does it smell like? I don't taste like it's like it's supposed to be made out of plants, right? But it tastes like chemically like plastic, like, but it's like really terrible. One time I got it because I was trying to eat more meat, and I was like making I made a lasagna with it. I had to throw the entire thing out. I couldn't even smell it. Wow. I could it was so disgusting. And then I thought that they were gonna make me a veggie burger, so they actually gave me one of those, and I was I had I smelt it and I couldn't even eat it, but everything else was really delicious, and that was just me.
SPEAKER_01How did they not have anything else on the menu that you would have ordered?
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Was it like a really small menu?
SPEAKER_00No, it was a really delicious menu, but it was all this you know how I am with food.
SPEAKER_01It was like you were really, really like weirdly picky, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I thought, oh, like, but that was my fault. I should have just ordered something on the menu. I'm sure there would have something I should have ordered. I think there was like a risotto I should have ordered. I know that's like Sam's food was delicious, yeah. No, but yeah, so that was my fault. I shouldn't ever do it.
SPEAKER_01Don't be a diva next time, just order the menu.
SPEAKER_00Well, I was at Hotel Ringo, so I wanted to pretend to be one.
SPEAKER_01I'm like surprised though. I'm like, why didn't you order one of their like amazing vegetarian options?
SPEAKER_00I well, that's what I thought they had. So for you guys that don't know, hotel like Vanessa saw um a episode. What was it?
SPEAKER_01Okay, so it's been on the real housewives of Orange County, and I think also the Kardashians.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the Kardashians went there and ate there. I don't know if they stayed there, but Vanessa's like, you have to stay there. So I was like, okay, fine. So we did, and it was a beautiful. And then I was like talking to the bartender, and I was like, Oh my god, he said that Justin Bieber had just left a month ago, and what other who other who else was there that I told you? I can't remember.
SPEAKER_01Some other celebrity, but it was Justin Bieber and like some older guy, like Matt Damon or something.
SPEAKER_00No, yeah, something like that, something like that. But anyway, so so I kind of wanted to pretend I was a diva at dinner.
SPEAKER_01That's really weird.
SPEAKER_00They probably had such delicious things already on the menu that you could have ordered. Uh well, what if Kim was like, I want a veggie burger and they brought out that? Like, no.
SPEAKER_01What if Kim? You mean Kim Kardashian? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe she would have liked it.
SPEAKER_00No, thanks.
SPEAKER_01You're just the you really are the pickiest adult eater I've ever met in my life. I know. I'm like a five-year-old.
SPEAKER_00It's weird, but I did eat reindeer because I was like into it. I was like, oh, it's Iceland. I mean, you had like one bite. I did, but it was like sushi, it was raw, and it was really yeah. You ate it raw? Yeah, it was raw. Wow, it was like raw served with like arugula, yum, like a tar tar.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it wasn't minced. But it was minced, yeah. No, it wasn't minced. Oh, it was like sliced. Interesting, like sashimi. Yeah. Yum.
SPEAKER_00So, anyways, that's it was great. Go there, have fun. Don't get sucked up by a wave. And yeah, that's my episode. That's everyone. I hope everyone learned everything.
SPEAKER_01What's just the way sometimes you phrase them? You're like, so that's my episode. I hope every anybody learned anything. What do you speak English? Or is it your second language?
SPEAKER_00It's I think it's my second.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes when you phrase things, I'm like, what?
SPEAKER_00No, but everybody knows that I cannot get the phrases right. Your pronunciation of names is I'll work on it, okay?
SPEAKER_01In your locations, I'll work on it.
SPEAKER_00I'm trying. There's already so much to like take in.
SPEAKER_01It's like those are kind of like but I feel like you mispronounce like normal names. Like if someone's name was like Mike Stevenson, you'd be like, Mikkel Stevenson. Mike, Mike Stevenson. It's like Stevenson. I feel like you do that with names, you like overthink it.
SPEAKER_00I know, because I feel like you do spot. Well, you next time I'm gonna pick it recorded. Next time I'm gonna pick a topic that's like really simple.
SPEAKER_01Like where? Like that's like Bob Jones. Right. No, but you'll still mess it up. You'll be like Bob Jonas, Jones, Jones. Thanks for having face.
SPEAKER_00No, but my phrases have always been so terrible, too. Like I can never get it right. I'm always like, what would I say? I've like, I actually had a list going at one point of phrases that I couldn't say.
SPEAKER_01I added to the list. I've added to the list of things that you've said to me.
SPEAKER_00We should pull that out sometime.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm not even you say you just you just mix up. I feel like one time you were like, she's a real sharp cookie. And I was like, a sharp cookie. What is that?
SPEAKER_00What's wrong with that?
SPEAKER_01Who wants to eat a like a smart cookie?
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's a smart cookie?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's not sharp cookie. But I think no, you said that one time. You were like, Yeah, she's a real sharp cookie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but that doesn't that meet that makes sense to me more than like why would that make sense to you?
SPEAKER_01Why would a sharp cookie be a good thing? You would cut your mouth.
SPEAKER_00Why would a smart cookie be a good thing?
SPEAKER_01It's just because that's the phrase. It's not a sharp cookie, it's smart cookie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but cookies don't have feelings, right? But and they're not intelligent, they're cookies, so why would it matter? And sharp can mean sharp can mean like bright.
SPEAKER_01It's I don't think it's sharp cookie. I think it's smart cookie, though. Like that's the phrase. That's the problem.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, smart cookie. I'm googling this. That didn't what is a smart cookie? Lola has a t-shirt that says smart cookie on it. A person who is smart says you're one smart cookie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you don't say sharp cookie, it just doesn't go together.
SPEAKER_00But smart and bright are the same thing, which means sharp.
SPEAKER_01Okay, but if I bar if I bite into a smart cookie, it's like I don't that doesn't have any, that doesn't make any sense. If I bite into a sharp cookie, I'm cutting my mouth.
SPEAKER_00It says noun, sharp cookie. One who is intelligent, bright or sharp. I just they came up with Wikipedia, so boy.
SPEAKER_01I just can't, I just can't. I think it's smart cookie. I don't think it's sharp cookie.
SPEAKER_00I think it could be both. Maybe, but anyway, we'll pull out that list of phrases sometime.
SPEAKER_01Maybe it's because you're from Texas and I'm from Vermont and we have different lives.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's true. I'll try to think of some more at some point. I I know I get them missed up. Can't even say that. I know I get them mixed up. Wow. Anyways, thank you guys for listening. I loved learning about sneaker waves. I know it's really weird, and like again, it's just something good to keep in your back pocket if you're gonna go visit uh one of those beaches.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Be aware.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, no. You know that TikTok um like filter background song you can use for your videos.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, yeah, oh no, that one.
SPEAKER_01So Lola, my five-year-old, she this is what I'm gonna put at the end of this episode. Uh she goes, she sings that. She goes, Oh no, oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no. It's really cute. You have to hear it. I'm so excited. All right, well, until next time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if you guys have any survivor stories, email us at killer earthpodcast at gmail.com. Um, we have merch. Maybe um you're a sharp cookie can be can be our next t-shirt.
SPEAKER_01I guess it really is a thing, but I didn't think it was. So I apologize.
SPEAKER_00Your apology is accepted. Great. Well, thanks everyone. Have a good time. Until next time. Goodbye. Bye. Oh no, oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no.